Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review
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Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...
@Zenroy Other way around for me chap, had the Lenovo WMR and it was pretty dire IMO ....sold it and bought a Rift S....a lot more compatibility and it just works. Each to their own though.
@mrrip inc. Agreed! and for the money its a deal! but i did notice the 80hz over the 90hz in beat saber, and the worst part of rift-S is the HEADPHONES!!!!!!!! GARBAGE!!!!!!! that alone makes me want to take it back and get the index.
@mrrip inc. once in a while I have tracking fallout, but a quick close and reopen of the Oculus app on Windows and it typically fixes itself. There is also a controller bug with the right controller showing up extra controllers that don't exist and once in a while pairing gets glitched. MAKE SURE you are using a USB 3 port for this, if you accidentally plug it in to a 2+ port, it'll have lots of issues and bugs until you move it. Powered hubs also are unreliable.
@Zenroy what didn't you like about it?
@Linus Tech Tips hell I'd loan you mine and suffer for a few weeks just to get a review.
All of this sounds WAY too complicated to me to actually be fun.
Can the value index controllers be used with the vive
what is the utility of cameras in the front of the headset ?
why don't they do controls with a real glove controls?
Rfit S was a huge upgrade over the original Rift, should review that!
Neeeerd. good review though
IF you don't have any VR headset but you have a powerful gaming computer, are there any VR games that justify the 1000 USD investment? So far, the only game that looks worth it IMHO is Lone Echo which is an Oculus title. Sure, you can use something to allow you to play Oculus titles on Steam VR headsets, but aren't there control mapping problems?
Hey Linus, can you play war thunder #warthunder with that headset ? thank you
Linus, I know someday or another you're going to review the HP Reverb, can you do us a favor of including racing/flight games on the review? I think the Reverb might be perfect for those seated experiences, but I want your opinion
0:57 wow a segue that makes sense
So Linus wishes for a strapon experience? Interesting.
he doesn't play BS on EX+.
Damn he has a nose most Jews would envy
I had no idea that you were into a strap on experience. Not judging.
If you aren't impressed by the finger tracking in "supported" games, just wait until Boneworks from Stress Level Zero comes out on Steam. They have some amazing work being done over there. I'm hoping other game developers will follow suite.
When Half Life VR comes out in a few months these should sell better.
If this headset was 400 dollars and the oculus rift like 200 dollars vr would be widely accepted and used by now. Vr is cool, all it needs to be is cheaper.
Does it come with a cat? Cool!
3:38 love the linuscattips product placment
And the like goes to the kitten :)
Htc Cosmos :\, guys the Cosmos!!!
dekeys.net/watch/6p1e_JSol8s-video.html Suddenly LTT turned into Linus Cat Tips
Blade and sorcery is the best game for testing vr.
I bought one and I'm returning it tomorrow because it didn't come with a cat
I *really* can't trust Linus' opinion on VR anymore. As a Rift S, Pimax 5K+, and an Index owner, I can say that I still prefer my Pimax to the other two, though it is heavily modded to make it better (because it is shit out of the box). For example, using the Vive Deluxe Audio Strap and of course using Index Controllers. Also the fact he is blown away by the clarity makes me feel he never gave the Pimax a shot because he wouldn't be blown away if he did.
VR TROOPERS REF IN THE INTRO XD!!!!!!!!!
If VR dies, so do I.
Linus I have to totally agree with everything that you have said, but currently having the Oculus Rift, even though my system and display is now 4K and I fall into the category of someone who wants the index, it's still a lot of money to completely upgrade. The Rift S is attractive due to its ease of use and much lower price, but imo and yours the index is king. A small price drop (Half Life 3) would be a real clincher, for now i'll be holding on to my Rift for a bit longer I think. What about the Cosmos???????
No-one thought VR was dead but LTT. Biggest evangelists before the rift came out then just declared it dead.
"Depending on what your doing in VR" ;)
Hmmm... at 3:43 the frunk suddenly and magically disappears for a few secs. =0
During the past years, you should have upgraded your Vive with Deluxe Audio Strap, Wireless adapter and joystick addon for the Vive wands. Such a difference. Vive is (unfortumately) still one of the best VR-headsets out there thanks to the blacks, brightness, binocular overlap, Hz, games, tracking, and decent FOV. (duked's tech tips)
I wish I could afford this, at least I have my Oculus Rift CV1 for the meantime :D
Mouse cursor on screen, duh
Literally no one was saying VR was dead.
What about the Oculus Quest?
The cat in the box.... was alive.
Great review, but as an owner of the Vive/Rift the only way I'm upgrading is for wireless at this point. That's the real game changer.
I don't believe GORN has proper full finger tracking support yet, it has preset combinations of buttons that represent a few hand expressions as you saw. Please find a proper game or maybe even a tech demo to show off the controllers.
I liked the Dell Mixed Reality, despite what "Reviewers" say, it was a LOT sturdier than it seems and over 2 years of punching walls full force over and over again it still hasn't broke xD (I also like how it has no limits on play space and you don't need to set it up like other VR sets, as well as liking the 300$ price tag on Newegg making it probably the cheapest 6 dimensional headset with controllers. The display is fantastic as well.)
They are still using fresnel lenses? I'd much rather have clearer picture and a bit more weight
Lmao got a quest cause I don’t have a $ 2000 Pc lmao
so can you play piano with these controllers
Had the Index and loved it and its for sure the better HMD but the controllers are overrated and the "finger tracking" is analog and feels as such so might as well have physical buttons for each finger, prob would be more accurate to use. I sent my Index back because my PDI is like 2 points wider then their max plus its def not worth $1000, maybe $700 max and the lack of content for it, VR in general. 5 years maybe VR will be gold with better pc's and better displays and true VR content, ill try VR again.
vr games are pretty shit but pron must be amazing on this beast
Yeah yeah yeah, we get it, 1000 dollar valve index it's real cool and all... But where's the Oculus quest coverage? 400 dollars, no PC or phone or console needed, it's all in the headset already, no baystations or cameras needed, really good inside out tracking that's 1000x better than WMR tracking, there's some really nice rift ports on it, what about that?
Linus been hitting the gym?
11:59 Great sound bite..
HIDE THE CAT! Alinity is on her way!
120 Hertz test without a real FPS like Pavlov
When can we reliably play games like GTA 5, COD in VR ? 5 years ?
Someone was working on a GTA V VR mod, but stopped because it was too traumatic. He said he felt like a murderer playing it. You can already play a few regular games like space and racing games like Assetto Corsa, ACC, Project Cars 2, Elite Dangerous, Space Engine, and a bunch of others. The issue is a lot of those games aren't made for 3D and for using hand controllers and something that looks OK in 2D like models, textures and lighting will look flat and weird in 3D.
lol.......my cat does the same thing with my tv and pc
Why does he need so many things in his pockets
Hey Linus! Could you do a video on No Man’s Sky VR! It’s my favorite game even though I’m having stuttering issues. Maybe you can solve why some get it running fine while others don’t on similar setups. I’m on Rift S, 16gb, gtx1080ti, i5 6600k, all water cooled. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 😁👍
19:43 he aims exactly at the camera
I'm still waiting for iris tracking in a VR headset before I upgrade. Having accurate depth of field will help a lot with motion sickness and headaches.
Do they all come with a kitten included?
Are you going to try the quest?
That title... Shame.
Nope... its definitely dead. Was Dead on Arrival... several times.
I didn't ever think I needed to see Linus playing Beat Saber until now lmao.
3:32 And... there's a cat.
It would be cool if they made a glove who can act like hands in the game. Talking about dust tho, you do need to clean your house just saying altho i can imagine that it's so hard to clean a house that big.
"I still do wish that it was more of a... a strap-on experience..." - Linus Sebastian 2019 (#iheartlinus)
i wish valve gave me free stuff cause i was a failed bieber clone.
According to his roast, linus likes the "strap-on experience" 😉
Wait what? when did it even die
Oh fucking GAWD what a horrible clickbait VR ain’t dead title. VR games have gotten better every fucking month. Take a look at what Sony has done with their underpowered PC. #exclusively awesome. Best place for VR multiplayer. I know PC players that have like 5 VR friends. I got over 100 VR friends on PSN
How is it for seated stuff like Elite, Truck sims, project cars, dirt or other sims?
Isnt VR really bad for kids?
So do I get an adorable kitty with mine when I unbox it to :D
Was the cat included with product? Including shipping? 🤔
He wishes it was a bit more of a strapon experience. Linus and pegging LOL
15:22 hey there, cameraman!
I've had the Gear VR for my Note 4 and Note 8, I currently have the PSVR, an Oculus Go, a Vive Focus, a Samsung Odyssey, the original Vive and just upgraded to the Vive Pro. Comparing the newest system out there to the first gen Vive leaves a ton of systems between the two out of the picture. I get excited when I see a new VR come out, I got the Samsung because of the upgrade in resolution to the original Vive. I'm honestly wondering if this is a big enough upgrade to ditch the Vive Pro for.
that was 1 sophisticated test, thanks loved it :-) ur mission impossible cat in the background also,, umm dont think kittens r the best idea when ur a full on techy, mind u ur routing of cables etc is supperb, kittens would die in my bedroom my cablings so bad, i trip over the main 1 almost everyday, do need some of those sticky things i saw u brought in previous singapore video, gonna get on ebay, amazon :-D
Not once, but twice i was surprised by the cats How the heck onbox a cat? And "shadow" is clearly a Linus's cat, its knock stuff off
It''s pretty dead, Linus.
Spends 1000 dollars on vr headset “it has finger tracking” puts middle finger up immediately😂